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Hit & Run: To SCAM a HYIP?

15. Dec,2010

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Cody of Safe Money Invest submit a guest post the other day, A Modern Approach to HYIP: Hit n Run (I suggest you read his article before this one, as this post is pretty much my opinion on what he wrote). There is a lot in his post that is controversial and I don’t necessarily agree with, so I felt it necessary to present my opinions on the Hit & Run.

The strategy, where an investor deposits money in a program in the first cycle, in the first few days of the program, then withdraws their entire principal along with the interest they earned is commonly known as hitting-and-running. Essentially the hit-and-runner is getting a profit during the first investment cycle then never reinvesting.

Cody pictures the hit-and-runner in a negative connotation, as someone that is hurting the HYIP and causing it to go scam before “its time.” He is assuming, and expecting you all to agree with, the concept that every program in the HYIP industry is a ponzi-based scheme. I can say this because ONLY in a ponzi-based scheme is a Hit & Run detrimental. In a real program, a Hit & Run doesn’t do anything, because the program will still be paying out the same amount of money to everyone. So, for the purpose of this article I’m going to assume that every HYIP is a ponzi-scheme. Please note that this is not necessarily my opinion as I would never make an all-inclusive statement of fact such as “all HYIPs are ponzi-schemes.” There is no way for me to prove such a statement.

First, before anything else, I’m going to explain the dangers of using the Hit & Run investment strategy for anyone new to the HYIP industry who is for the first time being introduced to the concept and thinks it to be a flawless way to make money. If done correctly, the Hit & Run strategy can make an investor money, but at the same time a hit-and-runner can lose everything (perhaps even easier than if you were investing for a longer time period). Let me explain:

  1. Quick Scams, or programs that open and never pay any investors will eventually make a hit-and-runner suffer loss. Essentially the Quick Scam is the HYIP admin’s version of a Hit & Run. Instead of the investor jumping in, making a quick profit and leaving, the HYIP admin is just taking investor money.
  2. Occasionally you’ll see evidence of a HYIP that doesn’t pay Hit & Run investors, selectively paying only investors who reinvest into the program. More often you see programs set-up that limit the impact of hit-and-runners. Programs that don’t pay back principal or that pay principal back after a very long period.

There are more, but I think you understand that you can still lose money utilizing the Hit & Run strategy. Anyway, like I was saying Cody is presenting that a hit-and-runner is detrimental to the HYIP industry, causing programs to close prematurely. He states that if investors put trust in a program, reinvest and promote the program, the program will last longer and more people will profit.

I’m sorry Cody, but that advice sounds like you’re running a HYIP. First off, you should never trust anything in the HYIP industry. Everyone has a hidden agenda (I talk about mine quite a bit in the newsletter that will be sent out at the end of this month, you should subscribe if you want to read about it). Second, I’m against promoting HYIP programs; too many people who promote HYIPs paint a beautiful story about how much money they earn with HYIPs so their downlines invest and they reap the real reward through referral commissions. That’s why I removed all referral links here on HYIPBlogger.com, I don’t believe in taking your money.

I believe that Cody is hitting on one thing that is truth though. There are programs that, if given a chance, can make substantially more money for investors if people reinvest. Programs like Final Earn and Unite Trade were both short-term ponzi-based programs that ran for a significant amount of time and made some investors a significant amount of money. They weathered the hit-and-runners, investors saw the potential in the program, and people started reinvesting.

If there were no hit-and-runners would HYIPs as a whole last longer? Short-term programs would definitely benefit. With long-term programs it’s debatable. Ponzi-based long-term programs rely on promotion to stay alive, and usually turn scam before the first cycle is finished. Only programs that reach a higher level of success and draw in investors such as Cherry Shares and Oil Structure did, have any real value for the investor to consider reinvesting.

I’m under the belief that you should absolutely not trust HYIP admins or have any trust in their programs. HYIPs can close at any time, so to trust in them would be foolish. Everyone needs to research and find a strategy of investment that best works for them. Hit & Run is only one tool, a small piece of what could be a much larger investment strategy. It’s my opinion that there are some programs where the only people who ever have a chance of making money are people who Hit & Run. HYIP admins will blame the failure of the programs on hit-and-runners, but a properly prepared program will be able to withstand a number of Hit & Run investors, and grow to a point where investors reinvest and the program runs its course, eventually closing and probably scamming whatever investors still have money in it.

So, the question isn’t really if you should Hit & Run or not, the question is which programs should you Hit & Run, which programs do you invest in for a long-term, and which programs do you avoid like the plague? If you’re going to be successful in this industry, it’s my opinion you need to cast aside any noble intentions and trust in HYIPs and research programs, figure out which types of HYIPs you’re comfortable in investing, and learn from your mistakes. Don’t be greedy, get out when you’re ahead, and don’t let people suck you into their own personal agendas.

6 Comments

  1. alex on December 15th, 2010 5:42 am

    Thank you for a very thoroughful and thoughtfull insight into one of the strategies in hyip world investing.
    I think the problem does exist,, but maybe in a rather small and not influential proportion concerning overall investing campaign. The Hit and Run strategy has the right to exist, for in this Internet game called hyip-investing there are no rules!
    Other question is does it really influencing the whole run of the game? In my opinion, and I agree with you, no real paying hyip can be ruined by these tactics. I mean no investor can detriment to good working hyip.
    With a proper research, due diligence and understanding of what it is all about in hyip’s industry you can get a much better result without using such a dubious strategy.

  2. Gabby on December 15th, 2010 3:14 pm

    Really correct answer and explanation.

  3. Ben on December 16th, 2010 12:51 pm

    It seems to me that the most trustworthy programs are those with proof of previous performance and an online testing period. They aren’t in need of many online investors as a core group of investors was formed beforehand and as they have had time to test their system and deal with technical problems (which caused PTV Partner’s downfall). Also, a question is: can a program deal with a fast growth potential, i.e. do they invest in the right kind of business, and do they for instance offer a bank wire option? Monitors should do more thorough due diligence tests it seems, although some successful online programs may prefer to remain in the “dark”. If there could be many more trustworthy online programs, it won’t happen that if a few top programs fail other successful programs are flooded with investors (as happened when Nano MC and Genius Funds closed).

  4. Cody on December 18th, 2010 2:14 pm

    Hi Tony,

    I think there is a misunderstanding here about my theory for hit-n-run. Essentially, yes, I think we need to show support for a site. That would mean reinvestment, but that’s only to the extent that you’re comfortable with the program.

    If you don’t have a trust in any site, and that you hit and run for all and every program that you join, I don’t feel like that’s the way the industry should go.

    We don’t just shower admins with “trust”, but rather we show a mutual respect for the roles each other play in this game. I know, there are tough times, but if we want to recover from this, it’ll take something extraordinary..

    Given the way things were 3 years ago, I would tend to think that you would agree with me. Don’t you think so?

  5. alex on December 18th, 2010 2:35 pm

    I think all hyips are different.
    One is from the beginning intended to play the game fairly and, say, honestly.
    Other is tended to become a fast scam.
    If you just have some experience in hyip investing, you should know it from the start, involving all your “flair” and thinking for that matter.
    I mean for those who are planning a quick retreat you can get hit-n-run tactics a fair try.
    But I would not.

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